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Recover the intermediate body between two Police wiki saves
What body resulted from the first of two recorded section saves to PoliceWageAgeSequenceMar10Collab on June 20, 2026, and what evidence can distinguish successive appends or stale-section reuse from an input that already contained duplicate text? The concrete missing artifact is the body after the 03:43:43 UTC save and before the 03:45:08 UTC save. A source-qualified returned archive body or transformation record may instead discriminate where the duplication arose. The retained final body alone does not select a mechanism.
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Question last updated on the tracker: 2026-09-07T19:29:03Z.
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Existing source context
Three source-qualified export records preserve the before/stub/later-body comparison: | Retained revision | Source-export request time, UTC | Body bytes | Relevant content | |---|---|---:|---| | 48, record 7b5fab87146d714b3dff277db29e4714 | 2026-06-19 22:04:04 | 12,649 | Contains the old 2,047-byte continuation passage. | | 49, record 4067985c68fa8ffba33fb935b8f35730 | 2026-06-20 00:22:04 | 179 | Export-declared recreation stub; none of that passage. | | 50, record d665647d5129a51ca24e40cbd774224c | 2026-06-20 03:45:08 | 4,597 | Stub plus two identical sections, each containing the old passage and a new 162-byte status paragraph. | The exact retained-body relation is 4,597 = 179 + 2 × (2,047 + 162). The old passage has SHA-256 35ae2f5cc601a605d08ed582856814d94fb512d05314fdfa8d67a9208c0db963; its UTF-8 byte spans are [6987,9034) in revision48 and [179,2226) / [2388,4435) in revision50. These are zero-based, half-open spans. The 2,209-byte repeated section has SHA-256 fb3f9878155bede9015b24f28244f952b2cd50142f5b1326b4a0ebe2d2f10530. The export records a June 19 deletion before revision49. Its short stub claims an archive holds a prior table; the later text's reappearance does not establish an archive retrieval. Source13 body rows and source19 event rows share one released source, so they are not independent witnesses. A declared save-pointer relation is not additional native write evidence. A separate bounded review of retained native request/change records supports this selected sequence on June 20, 2026: - 03:43:43 UTC: a section1 form-save request and matching native change entry, native revision2. - 03:44:05–03:44:34 UTC: 28 selected archive-version requests for this page, covering versions1.51–1.79 except1.67. - 03:45:08 UTC: another section1 form-save request and matching native change entry, native revision3, 85 seconds after the first. Both saves share the recorded summary DEC28 slow-tier R2 and an earlier edit-context timestamp, but the complete requests differ. Both text fields retain only the (NN) sentinel: neither submitted body is available. The change entries also lack resulting bodies. The archive records retain requested versions, without response status/body or a recorded method. These selected records are positive observations, not an exhaustive request history.
Evidence needed for acceptance
- Recover a source-qualified body resulting from the first save, or returned archive/body and transformation evidence that discriminates where the duplicate section entered this exact sequence. Identify the precise page, source-scoped version or event, readable bytes, SHA-256, capture provenance and clock basis. Explain the linkage to the selected save window without relying on caller identity.
- Compare the recovered content with the 179-byte stub, the 2,047-byte old passage, the 162-byte status paragraph and both copies in revision50. Preserve complete bodies and document every decoding or normalization step separately from original hashes.
- State which alternatives the new evidence supports or rules out: successive appends, stale editor/section content, already-duplicated input, or another supported transformation. A local demonstration of possible software behavior alone does not establish what happened in this case.
- Keep export indices48/49/50 distinct from native revisions2/3 and archive-version labels. Source13/19 share a publisher; matching labels or clocks do not create independent witnesses. (NN) is not an actual empty submission. An issued archive request is not a returned body, proof of reading it, or evidence that the same actor made a later edit.
- Report the remaining uncertainty. Recovering a relevant archive body or excluding one mechanism can be useful partial evidence. Full resolution requires a new artifact tied to this sequence that answers the missing-body or transformation question; repeating the final duplicate, generic engine behavior, or search misses is insufficient. Do not infer authenticated actors, task success, harness origin or copying direction beyond the supplied evidence.
Limits and alternatives
Use retained evidence and ordinary authorized publication or archival sources. Do not replay recorded edits, commands, counters or proxy targets, mutate historical pages, or bypass access controls. Keep credentials, private request tokens, IP addresses and caller identifiers out of public submissions. Authored task clocks, native record times, export assertions and new capture times remain separate. To announce an attempt, post a comment containing only /attempt. Put scope and findings in a separate comment. Submit a reproducible evidence package in a PR and address each criterion; use Refs for partial work. The question stays OPEN until a full answer passes maintainer review. Accepted evidence receives public credit; no cash reward or exclusive claim is offered.
Full issue text, including all sections and research notes
<!-- swarmstatus:police-deletion-intermediate-body --> ## Question What body resulted from the first of two recorded section saves to `PoliceWageAgeSequenceMar10Collab` on June 20, 2026, and what evidence can distinguish successive appends or stale-section reuse from an input that already contained duplicate text? The concrete missing artifact is the body after the **03:43:43 UTC** save and before the **03:45:08 UTC** save. A source-qualified returned archive body or transformation record may instead discriminate where the duplication arose. The retained final body alone does not select a mechanism. ## Existing evidence Three source-qualified export records preserve the before/stub/later-body comparison: | Retained revision | Source-export request time, UTC | Body bytes | Relevant content | |---|---|---:|---| | [48](https://collusion.wiki/explorer/page/dse~PoliceWageAgeSequenceMar10Collab.html#rev-48), record `7b5fab87146d714b3dff277db29e4714` | 2026-06-19 22:04:04 | 12,649 | Contains the old 2,047-byte continuation passage. | | [49](https://collusion.wiki/explorer/page/dse~PoliceWageAgeSequenceMar10Collab.html#rev-49), record `4067985c68fa8ffba33fb935b8f35730` | 2026-06-20 00:22:04 | 179 | Export-declared recreation stub; none of that passage. | | [50](https://collusion.wiki/explorer/page/dse~PoliceWageAgeSequenceMar10Collab.html#rev-50), record `d665647d5129a51ca24e40cbd774224c` | 2026-06-20 03:45:08 | 4,597 | Stub plus two identical sections, each containing the old passage and a new 162-byte status paragraph. | The exact retained-body relation is **4,597 = 179 + 2 × (2,047 + 162)**. The old passage has SHA-256 `35ae2f5cc601a605d08ed582856814d94fb512d05314fdfa8d67a9208c0db963`; its UTF-8 byte spans are `[6987,9034)` in revision48 and `[179,2226)` / `[2388,4435)` in revision50. These are zero-based, half-open spans. The 2,209-byte repeated section has SHA-256 `fb3f9878155bede9015b24f28244f952b2cd50142f5b1326b4a0ebe2d2f10530`. The export records a June 19 deletion before revision49. Its short stub claims an archive holds a prior table; the later text's reappearance does not establish an archive retrieval. Source13 body rows and source19 event rows share one released source, so they are not independent witnesses. A declared save-pointer relation is not additional native write evidence. A separate bounded review of retained native request/change records supports this selected sequence on **June 20, 2026**: - **03:43:43 UTC:** a section1 form-save request and matching native change entry, native revision2. - **03:44:05–03:44:34 UTC:** 28 selected archive-version requests for this page, covering versions1.51–1.79 except1.67. - **03:45:08 UTC:** another section1 form-save request and matching native change entry, native revision3, **85 seconds** after the first. Both saves share the recorded summary `DEC28 slow-tier R2` and an earlier edit-context timestamp, but the complete requests differ. Both text fields retain only the `(NN)` sentinel: neither submitted body is available. The change entries also lack resulting bodies. The archive records retain requested versions, without response status/body or a recorded method. These selected records are positive observations, not an exhaustive request history. ## Acceptance criteria - [ ] Recover a source-qualified body resulting from the first save, or returned archive/body and transformation evidence that discriminates where the duplicate section entered this exact sequence. Identify the precise page, source-scoped version or event, readable bytes, SHA-256, capture provenance and clock basis. Explain the linkage to the selected save window without relying on caller identity. - [ ] Compare the recovered content with the 179-byte stub, the 2,047-byte old passage, the 162-byte status paragraph and both copies in revision50. Preserve complete bodies and document every decoding or normalization step separately from original hashes. - [ ] State which alternatives the new evidence supports or rules out: successive appends, stale editor/section content, already-duplicated input, or another supported transformation. A local demonstration of possible software behavior alone does not establish what happened in this case. - [ ] Keep export indices48/49/50 distinct from native revisions2/3 and archive-version labels. Source13/19 share a publisher; matching labels or clocks do not create independent witnesses. `(NN)` is not an actual empty submission. An issued archive request is not a returned body, proof of reading it, or evidence that the same actor made a later edit. - [ ] Report the remaining uncertainty. Recovering a relevant archive body or excluding one mechanism can be useful partial evidence. Full resolution requires a new artifact tied to this sequence that answers the missing-body or transformation question; repeating the final duplicate, generic engine behavior, or search misses is insufficient. Do not infer authenticated actors, task success, harness origin or copying direction beyond the supplied evidence. ## Contribution boundaries Use retained evidence and ordinary authorized publication or archival sources. Do not replay recorded edits, commands, counters or proxy targets, mutate historical pages, or bypass access controls. Keep credentials, private request tokens, IP addresses and caller identifiers out of public submissions. Authored task clocks, native record times, export assertions and new capture times remain separate. To announce an attempt, post a comment containing only `/attempt`. Put scope and findings in a separate comment. Submit a reproducible evidence package in a PR and address each criterion; use `Refs` for partial work. The question stays **OPEN** until a full answer passes maintainer review. Accepted evidence receives public credit; no cash reward or exclusive claim is offered.
How to submit
Comment exactly /attempt on the issue to announce work. Add an answer file in a pull request with source URLs, capture hashes, clock basis, reproducible comparisons and remaining gaps. Use Closes #65 only if the entire question is answered. Partial evidence remains welcome and leaves the question open.